Read through the following and see if you find some linkages.....
"Printing" solar panels that are 3 times as efficient as coal
"Microwaving" extraction process of oil from shales
"Microwaving" 17 million BTU's from 10 tons of plastic, rubber and vinyl in an hour
E & P spending down
In 2005 a company could make 15% return on investment at $30 a bbl oil, today it needs $70 a bbl.
The cost to drill a well has incresed 60% in 4 years.
Russia ups export fee to $37.57 usd a bbl
US DOI has increased it's royalty demands on offshore leases from 12.5% to 16.7% and now to 18.75%
National Oil Companies (NOC) control 77% of the proven oil reserves
The largest International Oil Companiy (XOM) ranks 14th in size behind 13 NOC's.
all above are extracted from recent (30-60 days) news stories or press releases.
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Full Version: Abbadon - let's talk energy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007...renewableenergy
i think thats great....we both know that if they put their minds and hearts together....decent solutions can be found....
http://www.celsias.com/2007/11/23/nanosola...aper-than-coal/
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mass-produced wafer-thin solar cells printed on aluminium film rolled off a production line in California, heralding what British scientists called "a revolution" in generating electricity.
The solar panels produced by a Silicon Valley start-up company, Nanosolar, are radically different from the kind that European consumers are increasingly buying to generate power from their own roofs. Printed like a newspaper directly on to aluminium foil, they are flexible, light and, if you believe the company, expected to make it as cheap to produce electricity from sunlight as from coal.
The solar panels produced by a Silicon Valley start-up company, Nanosolar, are radically different from the kind that European consumers are increasingly buying to generate power from their own roofs. Printed like a newspaper directly on to aluminium foil, they are flexible, light and, if you believe the company, expected to make it as cheap to produce electricity from sunlight as from coal.
i think thats great....we both know that if they put their minds and hearts together....decent solutions can be found....
http://www.celsias.com/2007/11/23/nanosola...aper-than-coal/
There really was never any doubt. just get a profit motive going and it'll get done.
I'm over my energy crisis phase. There is none and never will be.
90% of energy expended today is spent refining the last 10% for today's more demanding requirements
I'm over my energy crisis phase. There is none and never will be.
90% of energy expended today is spent refining the last 10% for today's more demanding requirements
New technology is allowing solar panels to create electricity around the price of coil. However, the cost of installation and upkeep of a solar panel is far to high to be viable to any average home owner (in a 1st world country no less). According to the research I did for a project on solar energy, it costs $10,000 to purchase the photo-voltaic systems and another $27,000 for the installation and upkeep, though you can do it yourself with initiative. Those costs are unlikely to go down even with the lower cost of solar electricity.
Though world shipments of solar energy systems have jumped 35% this year and will continue to increase, it will do little to combat the current energy, yes, crisis.
To your point about oil shale, though it is true that there is as much oil in this country as in Saudi Arabia, the potential reserves are far less than that. Coupled with a much higher price and less fuel efficiency, it really is not a save-all that many make it out to be.
As to your other numbers, I'm not really sure what you are saying...
Though world shipments of solar energy systems have jumped 35% this year and will continue to increase, it will do little to combat the current energy, yes, crisis.
To your point about oil shale, though it is true that there is as much oil in this country as in Saudi Arabia, the potential reserves are far less than that. Coupled with a much higher price and less fuel efficiency, it really is not a save-all that many make it out to be.
As to your other numbers, I'm not really sure what you are saying...
we have plenty of oil without spending money on crapola like carbon offsets . we have enough oil to last us a long, long time despite what michael more says
QUOTE (msbyanks @ Feb 5 2008, 11:10 PM) 
New technology is allowing solar panels to create electricity around the price of coil. However, the cost of installation and upkeep of a solar panel is far to high to be viable to any average home owner (in a 1st world country no less). According to the research I did for a project on solar energy, it costs $10,000 to purchase the photo-voltaic systems and another $27,000 for the installation and upkeep, though you can do it yourself with initiative. Those costs are unlikely to go down even with the lower cost of solar electricity.
Though world shipments of solar energy systems have jumped 35% this year and will continue to increase, it will do little to combat the current energy, yes, crisis.
To your point about oil shale, though it is true that there is as much oil in this country as in Saudi Arabia, the potential reserves are far less than that. Coupled with a much higher price and less fuel efficiency, it really is not a save-all that many make it out to be.
As to your other numbers, I'm not really sure what you are saying...
Though world shipments of solar energy systems have jumped 35% this year and will continue to increase, it will do little to combat the current energy, yes, crisis.
To your point about oil shale, though it is true that there is as much oil in this country as in Saudi Arabia, the potential reserves are far less than that. Coupled with a much higher price and less fuel efficiency, it really is not a save-all that many make it out to be.
As to your other numbers, I'm not really sure what you are saying...
Go back and look at the list - Every guvmint body is swiping the cream off the top and then you wonder about why the few companies with a world approach aren't getting anywhere in upping reserves.
There is no energy crisis - there is an oil crunch but that's not all that worth worrying about. See"The Bottomless well" by Huber & Mills
Solar will never be more than a niche player but for some with the proper geography and climate, it can easily be all one needs. The same holds true for wind.
Don't let the dreamers fool you about oil shales. Yes there are some but for the most part, that of which they speak will need the power from a nuclear reactor to complete the trransition from kerogen to oil & gas.
QUOTE (fancyfredthompson @ Feb 6 2008, 12:10 AM)
we have plenty of oil without spending money on crapola like carbon offsets . we have enough oil to last us a long, long time despite what michael more says
while carbon offsets are a joke and a get-rich scheme for many, oil is a finite source. While there is still a significant amout out there, the price will do nothing but rise as it gets harder and harder to extract and refine.
On another couple of my hot button issues:
I repeat XOM is the 14th largest oil company, not the first. All 13 above it are National Oil Companies and are dedicated to supplying their own country with either fuel or $$ as a first priority.
The US imports somewhere about 80% of it's foreign hydrocarbons from Canada or Mexico. the ME countries are way down the list.
QUOTE (2old4this @ Feb 6 2008, 12:45 PM)
QUOTE (msbyanks @ Feb 5 2008, 11:10 PM)
New technology is allowing solar panels to create electricity around the price of coil. However, the cost of installation and upkeep of a solar panel is far to high to be viable to any average home owner (in a 1st world country no less). According to the research I did for a project on solar energy, it costs $10,000 to purchase the photo-voltaic systems and another $27,000 for the installation and upkeep, though you can do it yourself with initiative. Those costs are unlikely to go down even with the lower cost of solar electricity.
Though world shipments of solar energy systems have jumped 35% this year and will continue to increase, it will do little to combat the current energy, yes, crisis.
To your point about oil shale, though it is true that there is as much oil in this country as in Saudi Arabia, the potential reserves are far less than that. Coupled with a much higher price and less fuel efficiency, it really is not a save-all that many make it out to be.
As to your other numbers, I'm not really sure what you are saying...
Though world shipments of solar energy systems have jumped 35% this year and will continue to increase, it will do little to combat the current energy, yes, crisis.
To your point about oil shale, though it is true that there is as much oil in this country as in Saudi Arabia, the potential reserves are far less than that. Coupled with a much higher price and less fuel efficiency, it really is not a save-all that many make it out to be.
As to your other numbers, I'm not really sure what you are saying...
Go back and look at the list - Every guvmint body is swiping the cream off the top and then you wonder about why the few companies with a world approach aren't getting anywhere in upping reserves.
There is no energy crisis - there is an oil crunch but that's not all that worth worrying about. See"The Bottomless well" by Huber & Mills
Solar will never be more than a niche player but for some with the proper geography and climate, it can easily be all one needs. The same holds true for wind.
Don't let the dreamers fool you about oil shales. Yes there are some but for the most part, that of which they speak will need the power from a nuclear reactor to complete the trransition from kerogen to oil & gas.
QUOTE (fancyfredthompson @ Feb 6 2008, 12:10 AM)
we have plenty of oil without spending money on crapola like carbon offsets . we have enough oil to last us a long, long time despite what michael more says
while carbon offsets are a joke and a get-rich scheme for many, oil is a finite source. While there is still a significant amout out there, the price will do nothing but rise as it gets harder and harder to extract and refine.
On another couple of my hot button issues:
I repeat XOM is the 14th largest oil company, not the first. All 13 above it are National Oil Companies and are dedicated to supplying their own country with either fuel or $$ as a first priority.
The US imports somewhere about 80% of it's foreign hydrocarbons from Canada or Mexico. the ME countries are way down the list.
I agree with you about the solar energy and oil shales. However, I believe your timelines on our energy crisis may be a little off. There is little risk of energy crisis' at the moment with massive shortages (though oil is obviously at a risk of price jumping), in the future, we will need a new sustainable system for our energy. According to many, we have, or will reach in the near future "peak" oil. This does not mean that we will run out of oil in a few years, but that production is at a standstill while enormous countries continue to demand more and more (see China and India) and new reserves are not being discovered nearly at the same rate as they used to have been (for instance, the alaskan oil will provide a total of 7, i repeat, 7 minutes of energy for the United States).
To your comment about Mexico, Canada and the ME, I completely agree with you. This issue is much overhyped. However, with around 20% of our oil coming from a volatile region, the price of energy can rapidly spike, which i'm assuming consumers will not be in favor of. Politicians of course need to find a way around this, and getting rid of oil dependence is a good start (for political AND national reasons)
QUOTE (fancyfredthompson @ Feb 5 2008, 11:10 PM)
we have plenty of oil without spending money on crapola like carbon offsets . we have enough oil to last us a long, long time despite what michael more says
Can you provide any evidence to support your claims?
What is a long, long time? 10, 20, 100 years? If it is anywhere less than, I don't know, 70 years, I have a little interest in this topic, as I will be living through it. You, on the other hand, have no reason to worry.
P.S. I've never heard Michael Moore say anything on oi.
QUOTE (msbyanks @ Feb 6 2008, 03:26 PM)
I agree with you about the solar energy and oil shales. However, I believe your timelines on our energy crisis may be a little off. There is little risk of energy crisis' at the moment with massive shortages (though oil is obviously at a risk of price jumping), in the future, we will need a new sustainable system for our energy. According to many, we have, or will reach in the near future "peak" oil. This does not mean that we will run out of oil in a few years, but that production is at a standstill while enormous countries continue to demand more and more (see China and India) and new reserves are not being discovered nearly at the same rate as they used to have been (for instance, the alaskan oil will provide a total of 7, i repeat, 7 minutes of energy for the United States).
To your comment about Mexico, Canada and the ME, I completely agree with you. This issue is much overhyped. However, with around 20% of our oil coming from a volatile region, the price of energy can rapidly spike, which i'm assuming consumers will not be in favor of. Politicians of course need to find a way around this, and getting rid of oil dependence is a good start (for political AND national reasons)
To your comment about Mexico, Canada and the ME, I completely agree with you. This issue is much overhyped. However, with around 20% of our oil coming from a volatile region, the price of energy can rapidly spike, which i'm assuming consumers will not be in favor of. Politicians of course need to find a way around this, and getting rid of oil dependence is a good start (for political AND national reasons)
there is no energy crisis nor will there ever be. See Huber & Mills
once upon a time I also believed peak oil was near upon us but a gentleman and his group who I admire for researching and speaking out about their findings have placed that ever far into the future.
and certainly you've been reading some very slanted material (Alaska) - suggest you broaden your scope.
ignore fft - doesn't have a clue.
Another step forward: Oilfield Produced Water Successfully Desalinated Using OPUS™ Technology
"Produced water – the water generated when oil is brought out of the ground – contains high levels of boron, silica, organics and free oil. Previously, most of Chevron’s produced water in San Ardo was injected into deep disposal wells; however, capacity was limited. OPUS™ removes contaminants sufficiently for treated produced water to be discharged into shallow groundwater recharge basins, allowing greater oil production and replenishing precious water resources."
"Produced water – the water generated when oil is brought out of the ground – contains high levels of boron, silica, organics and free oil. Previously, most of Chevron’s produced water in San Ardo was injected into deep disposal wells; however, capacity was limited. OPUS™ removes contaminants sufficiently for treated produced water to be discharged into shallow groundwater recharge basins, allowing greater oil production and replenishing precious water resources."
was reading last week about one of the major oil companies developing a CO2 eating bacteria that can then be processed for fuel. When i can find it again, I'll post up the details.
QUOTE (2old4this @ Mar 2 2008, 07:08 PM)
was reading last week about one of the major oil companies developing a CO2 eating bacteria that can then be processed for fuel. When i can find it again, I'll post up the details.
Finally had the time to out and dig this up.
"ASU launches renewable biofuel research initiative with BP and SFAz "
The same bunch is working on organic solar cells.
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The same bunch is working on organic solar cells.
and the efficiencies are climbing....
every day
this is what we need rather than going off on the man made climate myth
this is what we need rather than going off on the man made climate myth
Cow power!
"Imagine a vat of liquid cow manure covering the area of five football fields and 33 feet deep. Meet California's most alternative new energy."
"Imagine a vat of liquid cow manure covering the area of five football fields and 33 feet deep. Meet California's most alternative new energy."
Shell Hydrogen LLC and Virent Energy Systems, Inc. Announce Agreement to Manufacture Hydrogen Using Biomass
get this process in place and we can go back to drinking... er.... eating corn rather than burning it.
it doesn't require trucking or modification of engines, uses existing infrastructure and contains as much energy as premium gas.
get this process in place and we can go back to drinking... er.... eating corn rather than burning it.
it doesn't require trucking or modification of engines, uses existing infrastructure and contains as much energy as premium gas.
Bad News for both the US and Mexico:
The United States is poised to lose its third-largest oil supplier. Mexico's Alejandro Encinas, the expected soon-to-be-leader of the country's leftist Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD), has promised to use the PRD's congressional influence to halt all oil development in the country. The move stems from Encinas' staunch isolationism, since mining promising oil fields to replace the country's once-overflowing Cantarell oil field would require the use of advanced technology available only from other countries. Ignoring the impact both on Mexico's economy and on the world's oil supply, Encinas argues he is "defending Mexico's patrimony and national interest."
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Okay - Now when are we going into ANWR, East GoM, Atlantic coast, off - CA?
The United States is poised to lose its third-largest oil supplier. Mexico's Alejandro Encinas, the expected soon-to-be-leader of the country's leftist Party of the Democratic Revolution (PRD), has promised to use the PRD's congressional influence to halt all oil development in the country. The move stems from Encinas' staunch isolationism, since mining promising oil fields to replace the country's once-overflowing Cantarell oil field would require the use of advanced technology available only from other countries. Ignoring the impact both on Mexico's economy and on the world's oil supply, Encinas argues he is "defending Mexico's patrimony and national interest."
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Okay - Now when are we going into ANWR, East GoM, Atlantic coast, off - CA?
Older story but I just found it today....
Price of ethanol to drop?
now we can run the price of food up another 5% or so.
Price of ethanol to drop?
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Hyflux, BP International Ltd and the Dalian Institute of Chemical Physics (”DICP”) plan to jointly develop and commercialize the use of zeolite dewatering membranes in the production of biofuels. By increasing the efficiency of the dewatering step, zeolite membranes have the potential to significantly reduce the energy costs of production of biofuels such as bioethanol.
now we can run the price of food up another 5% or so.
they say that the phillipines couldnt get a tender for rice delivery and that the one company that entered was very dodgy...
thats how bad it is....
thats how bad it is....
Naw!?!?!? Really??????
Political spins blurring energy realities
Chron exclusive: The energy debate -- myths vs. reality
I'll try to keep up with this and note when they post up their idea of myth v. reality. They had them in the paper today so I don't know why they're not online tonight. All in all, a pretty good job. Just a couple of near-misses.
Political spins blurring energy realities
Chron exclusive: The energy debate -- myths vs. reality
I'll try to keep up with this and note when they post up their idea of myth v. reality. They had them in the paper today so I don't know why they're not online tonight. All in all, a pretty good job. Just a couple of near-misses.
i like the look of this......definately something that will prove useful....
hopefully they go into full time manufacture and bring prices down to everyday level....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/...els-865592.html
hopefully they go into full time manufacture and bring prices down to everyday level....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/...els-865592.html
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A new type of solar panel that allows light to pass through it like a pane of glass has been invented by scientists who said that it is 10 times more powerful than conventional methods of producing energy from sunlight.
The discovery raises the prospect of using ordinary domestic windows to generate electricity with minimum structural alterations, although scientists have not yet worked out how much it would cost to convert a domestic home to a solar-powered generator.
Instead of coating the entire solar panel with solar cells - the expensive semiconductor devices that turn the energy of sunlight into electricity - the new solar panel works on the principle of concentrating the light, and the energy, at the edges of a pane of glass where it can be collected by the solar cells.
The discovery raises the prospect of using ordinary domestic windows to generate electricity with minimum structural alterations, although scientists have not yet worked out how much it would cost to convert a domestic home to a solar-powered generator.
Instead of coating the entire solar panel with solar cells - the expensive semiconductor devices that turn the energy of sunlight into electricity - the new solar panel works on the principle of concentrating the light, and the energy, at the edges of a pane of glass where it can be collected by the solar cells.
QUOTE (abbadon @ Jul 11 2008, 01:14 PM)
I agree - Build a new place with double paned windows, the exterior panes, at least on the sunny sides of the house being these panels. Add rainfall capture, gray water treatment and an anaerobic treatment of final waste water feeding the flower and vegetable gardens. All I could really add is the envelope wall.
with two wind turbines out back.....
also 2oldie....a thought.....
we really arent making enough use of our rivers.....we could have the old water wheel tech updated and have them along the rivers......
i cannot understand why we arent seeing more of these considering that rivers are nearly everywhere.....
also 2oldie....a thought.....
we really arent making enough use of our rivers.....we could have the old water wheel tech updated and have them along the rivers......
i cannot understand why we arent seeing more of these considering that rivers are nearly everywhere.....
The modern version is the hydroelectric plant which the enviro-wackos are dynamiting ASAP
Look to Alaska for some of your kind of thinking - A house on the mountain side, about 4-500 sq ft. They have all the modern household addons - except running water! So..... Build the home straddling a snow-fed creek. The kitchen is on the up-hill side and the bath on the downhill end. And a waterwheel driving a generator on both sides. add some solar cells and live well.
Look to Alaska for some of your kind of thinking - A house on the mountain side, about 4-500 sq ft. They have all the modern household addons - except running water! So..... Build the home straddling a snow-fed creek. The kitchen is on the up-hill side and the bath on the downhill end. And a waterwheel driving a generator on both sides. add some solar cells and live well.
Thats what im talking about....though living over a river might be risky in torrential rain times.... 
QUOTE (abbadon @ Jul 22 2008, 03:41 PM)
Thats what im talking about....though living over a river might be risky in torrential rain times....
alaska is far from any torrential rains. heavy snowstorms on the other hand.,,,,,
most of the guys and gals using the above technique end up on a 1-2 ft wide creek at most with little chance of high water.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7535307.stm
on land wave turbine that produces power....
i really like this one.....
on land wave turbine that produces power....
i really like this one.....
they get that into technical/costs feasibility, it'll be fantastic.
Here's another similar to your wind turbine. The idea of tapping one energy source to generate an intermediate driver for a usable energy- now that's whats new for both of these.
Solar Energy, All Night Long
http://www.forbes.com/2008/07/30/nocera-so...l?feed=rss_news
This could open up a whole new path for solar.
Solar Energy, All Night Long
http://www.forbes.com/2008/07/30/nocera-so...l?feed=rss_news
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"Solar power has always been a limited, far-off solution. Now we can seriously think about solar power as unlimited--and soon."
This could open up a whole new path for solar.
Nuclear Reactors The Size Of A Hot Tub
This could bring a whole new meaning to the “Not in My Back Yard” argument. Hyperion Power Generation, Inc. is looking to commercialize small, nuclear reactors for remote locations as soon as 2013. The reactors, developed at the reputable Las Alamos National Laboratory, are the size of a hot tub and buried under ground; it is impossible for them to melt down or be broken down into weapons. Furthermore, the amount of nuclear waste one of these reactors produces after about 5 years is about the size of a softball and could be reprocessed for more energy. And how much electricity do these “hot tubs” pump out? Enough to power 20,000 average-sized homes. Not bad.
Are they realistic? Altira Group LLC, a venture capitalist firm that funds energy technologies, sure seems to think so. Peter Edwards, partner at Altira and board member of Hyperion Power Generation said, "We look to partner with companies who are developing transformative technology to meet increasing global demand. HPG’s technology will have a prominent role in the energy world of the future, providing a safe, compact, near-zero-emission, waste-efficient source for thermal and electrical energy.”
Toshiba has some stake in this game, as well. They’ve been working on a 20 feet by 6 feet reactor that would produce electricity at about half the price of regular grid electricity. They could become commercially viable in Japan in 2008, and Toshiba hopes to expand to Europe and the U.S. in 2009. This is a perfect example of why we can’t move forward with centrally planned energy policy. Innovation and the market will develop unforeseen means to meet energy demands that would be most likely be restricted by the tunnel vision of a central planner.
---Nick Loris
This could bring a whole new meaning to the “Not in My Back Yard” argument. Hyperion Power Generation, Inc. is looking to commercialize small, nuclear reactors for remote locations as soon as 2013. The reactors, developed at the reputable Las Alamos National Laboratory, are the size of a hot tub and buried under ground; it is impossible for them to melt down or be broken down into weapons. Furthermore, the amount of nuclear waste one of these reactors produces after about 5 years is about the size of a softball and could be reprocessed for more energy. And how much electricity do these “hot tubs” pump out? Enough to power 20,000 average-sized homes. Not bad.
Are they realistic? Altira Group LLC, a venture capitalist firm that funds energy technologies, sure seems to think so. Peter Edwards, partner at Altira and board member of Hyperion Power Generation said, "We look to partner with companies who are developing transformative technology to meet increasing global demand. HPG’s technology will have a prominent role in the energy world of the future, providing a safe, compact, near-zero-emission, waste-efficient source for thermal and electrical energy.”
Toshiba has some stake in this game, as well. They’ve been working on a 20 feet by 6 feet reactor that would produce electricity at about half the price of regular grid electricity. They could become commercially viable in Japan in 2008, and Toshiba hopes to expand to Europe and the U.S. in 2009. This is a perfect example of why we can’t move forward with centrally planned energy policy. Innovation and the market will develop unforeseen means to meet energy demands that would be most likely be restricted by the tunnel vision of a central planner.
---Nick Loris
The chicken guts is not a stretch, the process exists and fuel has been produced - but some of the other?
I won't venture to say for sure but remember the phrase "if it sounds to good to be true......."
I'd like to get the real numbers of energy in v. energy out. i.e. they can't duplicate what the earth does from a million years to a few hours.
I won't venture to say for sure but remember the phrase "if it sounds to good to be true......."
I'd like to get the real numbers of energy in v. energy out. i.e. they can't duplicate what the earth does from a million years to a few hours.
Nu-kar-lar power is still the answer.
QUOTE (iluvw @ Aug 17 2008, 11:16 PM)
Nu-kar-lar power is still the answer.
but only a part. we need new drilling, wind, solar and nukes as well as some possible things that haven't even been thought of yet.
QUOTE (2old4this @ Aug 18 2008, 11:35 AM)
QUOTE (iluvw @ Aug 17 2008, 11:16 PM)
Nu-kar-lar power is still the answer.
but only a part. we need new drilling, wind, solar and nukes as well as some possible things that haven't even been thought of yet.
The fact is we have the technology to make both power production and transportation operate without coal or oil - but there's just as much environmental activists opposition to nuclear, wind, hydro, and hydrogen power as there is against fossil fuels. Toshiba company owns a stake in a research company who has designed nuclear reactors the size of a car that can power 20,000 homes, but they have stated that the likelihood of installing in the U.S. is a long ways off because of anti-nuclear activists. You can't do wind because it's ugly to the skyline. You can't do hydro because it ruins natural waterways. You can't do hydrogen because it's apparently more dangerous to have a tank of hydrogen than a tank of gas...
QUOTE (chubby190 @ Aug 18 2008, 04:17 PM)
.............. You can't do hydrogen because it's apparently more dangerous to have a tank of hydrogen than a tank of gas...
secondly, it's currently worse than corn ethanol in efficiency. it takes a gallon and a half of gasoline equivalent to produce a gallon's worth of hydrogen....
Google Energy Entrepreneurs? (GEE) 
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.....holes are drilled deep into hot rock and water is injected into the cracks. When pressure forces the water up other, nearby wells, it is hot enough to run a turbine and produce electricity. Engineers would, in a sense, be making their own geysers, and this opens up far more of the globe for geothermal energy development.
I think i touched on the problem of geothermals before....
a mate from NZ told me that once they got a system operational down under, the bloody thing went cool due to the take up of heat....
it may not be as good as it looks long term.....
they use it in finland but its confined to each home......in certain areas according to a mate....
a mate from NZ told me that once they got a system operational down under, the bloody thing went cool due to the take up of heat....
it may not be as good as it looks long term.....
they use it in finland but its confined to each home......in certain areas according to a mate....
the whole shale natural gas and oil in the u.s. west thing looks like a good interim (maybe even long-term, geez, some of those companies really take off) investment, especially given how russia and iran and venezuela and china and on and on all look like they want to play economic if not outright military hardball with the west re: choking supplies
QUOTE (abbadon @ Aug 20 2008, 05:30 PM)
I think i touched on the problem of geothermals before....
a mate from NZ told me that once they got a system operational down under, the bloody thing went cool due to the take up of heat....
it may not be as good as it looks long term.....
they use it in finland but its confined to each home......in certain areas according to a mate....
a mate from NZ told me that once they got a system operational down under, the bloody thing went cool due to the take up of heat....
it may not be as good as it looks long term.....
they use it in finland but its confined to each home......in certain areas according to a mate....
i was going to say it's working in CA but after i thought about it, they may be just using the natural hot water rather than pumping down. i'll have to check.....
i think your mate is correct to a point anyway. the volume very well may have to be limited.
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the whole shale natural gas and oil in the u.s. west thing looks like a good interim (maybe even long-term, geez, some of those companies really take off) investment, especially given how russia and iran and venezuela and china and on and on all look like they want to play economic if not outright military hardball with the west re: choking supplies
watch yourself on these. there are still a lot of promoters out there who really don't intend to make it. just gather up investment money and then fade into the dust.
shale gas isn't really new. it's been going on since 1820. there are several new plays but I personally do not believe anywhere near half of the players have any idea what works and what doesn't. they just keep trying this or that, imitating anything someone says is successful and many of them are going to go under. On the other hand, there are a few who are making money at it though not nearly as much as their PR dept would have you believe.
shale oil is another animal - the terminology is mis-leading and confused. see this
yep - CA is natural rather than sourced from wells.
thank you 2old, very informative
and the bit about promoters -- I'd already noticed (and I've been just sussing it out, not very seriously, but I'd noticed anyway) that there is at least a handful that investors already are griping are obviously in it for just the fast cash, sort of a pay fund for them and that's all (and one blinking red light seems to be if the company just isn't drilling -- not always as easy to tell as just saying it because they don't, but, say, they have excuses as to why still no rigs on this long-promoted potentially lucrative piece of land, or sell shares to pay for a rig, which some investors say is bullsh*t, drill and immediately invest in new drilling etc). But I mean this is one of those areas where I don't pretend to know what I'm talking about.
and the bit about promoters -- I'd already noticed (and I've been just sussing it out, not very seriously, but I'd noticed anyway) that there is at least a handful that investors already are griping are obviously in it for just the fast cash, sort of a pay fund for them and that's all (and one blinking red light seems to be if the company just isn't drilling -- not always as easy to tell as just saying it because they don't, but, say, they have excuses as to why still no rigs on this long-promoted potentially lucrative piece of land, or sell shares to pay for a rig, which some investors say is bullsh*t, drill and immediately invest in new drilling etc). But I mean this is one of those areas where I don't pretend to know what I'm talking about.
back before you were born a group of thieves went down into FLA and promoted up some wells. Unbeknowst to any of their uninformed investors, they oversold every well 300 to 400%. They did drill the wells and cored an "oil shale."
They took the core and wraped it in a tarp and laid it on the side of the location where new investors might be allowed to think that when they looked under the tarp they were getting confidential information that otherwise they might not get.
When they did sneak a look, they saw a hunk of rock lying in a pool of high quality oil that the hot sunshine had forced out of the core andf then couldn't write the checks large enough or fast enough.
Needless to say, after running pipe and shooting the well, nothing happened. Dry hole!
So the promoters then walked the rig to the next oversold location and repeated the operation again to the tune of 200-300% cash profit each and every time.
The only redeeming feature was that they were skinning the greedy.
They took the core and wraped it in a tarp and laid it on the side of the location where new investors might be allowed to think that when they looked under the tarp they were getting confidential information that otherwise they might not get.
When they did sneak a look, they saw a hunk of rock lying in a pool of high quality oil that the hot sunshine had forced out of the core andf then couldn't write the checks large enough or fast enough.
Needless to say, after running pipe and shooting the well, nothing happened. Dry hole!
So the promoters then walked the rig to the next oversold location and repeated the operation again to the tune of 200-300% cash profit each and every time.
The only redeeming feature was that they were skinning the greedy.
Clean up in aisle 3!
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They eat trash!
August 25th, 2008 Tayvis Posted in Environmental Remediation |
Tayvis Dunnahoe, Associate Editor
E&P
Have you ever heard the expression “being treated like a mushroom?” Well, that may entail being fed oil in the near future. The UK’s Telegraph reported on a new plan to develop mushrooms capable of reclaiming land from oil spills.
According to Clare Kendall, columnist for the Telegraph, an anonymous British donor is funding the project. Jess Work and Brian Page, both American biologists, and Ricardo Viteri, an Ecuadorian fungus expert, are heading up research to develop a mushroom that can eat toxic components in the soil thereby leeching the materials from land.
The process – known as mycoremediation – is being supported by an American charity – The Cloud Institute. It was pioneered by Paul Stamets, the US-based mushroom advocate, who believes that fungus could play a major role in restoring polluted land.
Jess Work claims, “Mushrooms are the world’s great recyclers,” adding, “They eat trash!” Typically, most fungus prefers to feed on wood, which is based on the material as oil – carbon. With this relationship in mind, the scientists have observed mushrooms feeding on petroleum in the laboratory, and now have set out to find contaminated environments for trial research.
Work said, “the question isn’t ‘does it work’ it’s about maximizing effects.” “The decontamination task here is huge.”
The technology has been used previously to clean up oil spills in San Francisco last November, but this will be the first time this experiment has been conducted in the tropics. The team is currently cultivating oyster mushrooms, which the scientists claim are particularly versatile and aggressive. The Ecuador-based experiment will be carried out under the many pipelines crossing the jungle.
Page said, the goal of the project is to find mushrooms that naturally like oil. “If we could develop a strain of mushroom whose particular ecological niche was oil pollution and nothing else; that would be our dream!”
Viteri explained, “The same enzyme mushrooms use to digest lignin, a main component of wood, is used to digest petroleum.” Although Viteri points out that this is not a cure and will most likely work on small scale.
Viteri said, there’s no miracle solution. The mushrooms can’t reclaim oil pits in their raw state, but it can make the soil reusable after the bulk has been removed allowing people to regenerate their own “patch.”
“This would be an amazing thing for the people here, to be able to remediate their own land,” said Viteri.
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They eat trash!
August 25th, 2008 Tayvis Posted in Environmental Remediation |
Tayvis Dunnahoe, Associate Editor
E&P
Have you ever heard the expression “being treated like a mushroom?” Well, that may entail being fed oil in the near future. The UK’s Telegraph reported on a new plan to develop mushrooms capable of reclaiming land from oil spills.
According to Clare Kendall, columnist for the Telegraph, an anonymous British donor is funding the project. Jess Work and Brian Page, both American biologists, and Ricardo Viteri, an Ecuadorian fungus expert, are heading up research to develop a mushroom that can eat toxic components in the soil thereby leeching the materials from land.
The process – known as mycoremediation – is being supported by an American charity – The Cloud Institute. It was pioneered by Paul Stamets, the US-based mushroom advocate, who believes that fungus could play a major role in restoring polluted land.
Jess Work claims, “Mushrooms are the world’s great recyclers,” adding, “They eat trash!” Typically, most fungus prefers to feed on wood, which is based on the material as oil – carbon. With this relationship in mind, the scientists have observed mushrooms feeding on petroleum in the laboratory, and now have set out to find contaminated environments for trial research.
Work said, “the question isn’t ‘does it work’ it’s about maximizing effects.” “The decontamination task here is huge.”
The technology has been used previously to clean up oil spills in San Francisco last November, but this will be the first time this experiment has been conducted in the tropics. The team is currently cultivating oyster mushrooms, which the scientists claim are particularly versatile and aggressive. The Ecuador-based experiment will be carried out under the many pipelines crossing the jungle.
Page said, the goal of the project is to find mushrooms that naturally like oil. “If we could develop a strain of mushroom whose particular ecological niche was oil pollution and nothing else; that would be our dream!”
Viteri explained, “The same enzyme mushrooms use to digest lignin, a main component of wood, is used to digest petroleum.” Although Viteri points out that this is not a cure and will most likely work on small scale.
Viteri said, there’s no miracle solution. The mushrooms can’t reclaim oil pits in their raw state, but it can make the soil reusable after the bulk has been removed allowing people to regenerate their own “patch.”
“This would be an amazing thing for the people here, to be able to remediate their own land,” said Viteri.
QUOTE (2old4this @ Aug 21 2008, 02:38 PM)
back before you were born a group of thieves went down into FLA and promoted up some wells. Unbeknowst to any of their uninformed investors, they oversold every well 300 to 400%. They did drill the wells and cored an "oil shale."
They took the core and wraped it in a tarp and laid it on the side of the location where new investors might be allowed to think that when they looked under the tarp they were getting confidential information that otherwise they might not get.
When they did sneak a look, they saw a hunk of rock lying in a pool of high quality oil that the hot sunshine had forced out of the core andf then couldn't write the checks large enough or fast enough.
Needless to say, after running pipe and shooting the well, nothing happened. Dry hole!
So the promoters then walked the rig to the next oversold location and repeated the operation again to the tune of 200-300% cash profit each and every time.
The only redeeming feature was that they were skinning the greedy.
They took the core and wraped it in a tarp and laid it on the side of the location where new investors might be allowed to think that when they looked under the tarp they were getting confidential information that otherwise they might not get.
When they did sneak a look, they saw a hunk of rock lying in a pool of high quality oil that the hot sunshine had forced out of the core andf then couldn't write the checks large enough or fast enough.
Needless to say, after running pipe and shooting the well, nothing happened. Dry hole!
So the promoters then walked the rig to the next oversold location and repeated the operation again to the tune of 200-300% cash profit each and every time.
The only redeeming feature was that they were skinning the greedy.
come to think of it..... that shale might produce with today's technology. I'll have to look into that......
All shales are not created equal
another source for what I've been saying except Rhonda left out the part about some shales producing oil. the "tight gas" lead has become so predominant in the literature that some folks have forgot all about oil.
another source for what I've been saying except Rhonda left out the part about some shales producing oil. the "tight gas" lead has become so predominant in the literature that some folks have forgot all about oil.
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Probert’s talk focused on “Striving to make the unconventional conventional.” In North America, he said, there is an estimated 8,000 Tcf of gas in unconventional reservoirs such as coalbed methane, tight gas, and shales. Of these, shales are predicted to be the most important element. He said that gas shale reserves in North America account for about 50% of the total global gas capacity. In North America, gas shale production will be half of the unconventional capacity by 2015. The Barnett Shale is already producing one-sixth of the continent’s gas.
But since all shales are different, it’s up to the service companies as well as the E&P companies to find the right tools and technology to extract the gas from each region. Issues include the fact that many development models are based on traditional tight sand applications and don’t perform as expected in shales. With the vast amounts of fluids being pumped into these reservoirs for hydraulic fracturing, it’s important to understand the geochemistry of each shale to get long-term gas recovery.
Rhonda Duey - Hart Publishing
But since all shales are different, it’s up to the service companies as well as the E&P companies to find the right tools and technology to extract the gas from each region. Issues include the fact that many development models are based on traditional tight sand applications and don’t perform as expected in shales. With the vast amounts of fluids being pumped into these reservoirs for hydraulic fracturing, it’s important to understand the geochemistry of each shale to get long-term gas recovery.
Rhonda Duey - Hart Publishing
Hmmm, talk about scam artists, here comes T. Boone Pickens and the CEO of a natural gas corporation. I forget his name, but he has a TV ad complimentary to Pickens' TV ad.
Pickens says "Drill baby, drill!", but he also says we also need a "bridge" to the alternate energy of the future. Both push natural gas. The CEO claims that cars can run on compressed natural gas for 40% less than gasoline. That's the bait.
The switch comes when the cost factor of distribution gets factored in. How many gas stations in the US would have to be modified to accommodate the changes to make it possible and practical? He also talks about "home fueling" from the gas line to your home. So let's turn every home into a gas station. DUH! What does that do to home insurance rates? How about when there's a house fire?
Congress is the reason we're in this situation. Congress is why we haven't been drilling. Congress is why we don't have new refineries. Congress is why we haven't been exploiting clean coal power generation. Congress is why we aren't building nuclear power generating plants.
Pickens says "Drill baby, drill!", but he also says we also need a "bridge" to the alternate energy of the future. Both push natural gas. The CEO claims that cars can run on compressed natural gas for 40% less than gasoline. That's the bait.
The switch comes when the cost factor of distribution gets factored in. How many gas stations in the US would have to be modified to accommodate the changes to make it possible and practical? He also talks about "home fueling" from the gas line to your home. So let's turn every home into a gas station. DUH! What does that do to home insurance rates? How about when there's a house fire?
Congress is the reason we're in this situation. Congress is why we haven't been drilling. Congress is why we don't have new refineries. Congress is why we haven't been exploiting clean coal power generation. Congress is why we aren't building nuclear power generating plants.
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