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2old4this
Nature is trying very hard to make us succeed, but nature does not depend on us. We are not the only experiment.
- R. Buckminster Fuller
abbadon
hehehehe.....and also...whatever nature perfects, you know thats next on the hitlist for extinction..... biggrin.gif
ScurvyDawg
QUOTE (2old4this @ Jul 29 2005, 03:54 PM)
Nature is trying very hard to make us succeed, but nature does not depend on us. We are not the only experiment.
  - R. Buckminster Fuller
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He designed the house I live in .... LOL

www.bfi.org Bucky Rocks
2old4this
Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets. Imagination without skill gives us modern art.
- Tom Stoppard


I would add - Most modern "Art" of all media --music, movie, literature, etc.
cilaag
All this insightful give and take reminds me of how smart Pythagoras was when he said, "avoid beans" ((of course this is an english translation of the greek--nevermind))

In context he was not talking about eating them...during his time people (that were allowed to vote) did so with either a white or black bean.

He was advising his students/followers to avoid politics.

Without context profound statements/ideas are easily dismissed as meaningless dribble.

Bucky balls anyone?
abbadon
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Bucky balls anyone?

yes please...i luv goo..... laugher.gif


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Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets. Imagination without skill gives us modern art.
- Tom Stoppard


sorry i disagree......to say the craftsman has no imagination is an insult. he doesnt just recreate what he sees, he also refines and makes it new. so much so, that when the onlooker sees it, they go wow.....he isnt a robot.
ask this idiot known as tom if he has seen the products of the hands of the toolmaker. ask him if he knows how he got it to be that way.

however, i think tom is typifying his own limitations. he is the embodiment of uslessness who i think is making use, regrettably, of the toolmakers toys.....
naturally, his mind is a work of modern art.
2old4this
Craftsmen and craftsmanship are not one and the same - I agree with Tom. He doesn't degrinate the individual, only the imitator without imagination.
2old4this
Her virtue was that she said what she thought, her vice that what she thought didn't amount to much.
- Peter Ustinov
2old4this
Good Quote

"Gays, blacks, Latinos, whites, Catholics, Protestants, (suspected) atheists--come to think of it, liberals have a defense against the charge that they're prejudiced: They hate everyone equally."

---James Taranto, Best of the Web Today
August 8, 2005
cilaag
2, good stuff above to be sure...

cognito ergo sum (lifted from an unidentified Rosicrucian manuscript)
...loosely translated: I think therefore I am...(or is it)...I am therefore I think?
2old4this
An idealist believes the short run doesn't count. A cynic believes the long run doesn't matter. A realist believes that what is done or left undone in the short run determines the long run. --Syndey J. Harris
2old4this
A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.
- PJ O'Rourke
2old4this
The greatest mistake you can make in life is to be continually fearing you will make one.
- Elbert Hubbard
ScurvyDawg
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--/ I took the one less traveled by, / And that has made all the difference.
- Robert Frost
2old4this
Somebody's got the same home page I do - or connects to it real regular.
ScurvyDawg
Nope I use http://www.google.com/ig check it out. My homepage however is my website of course http://www.scurvydawg.com hehehe

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Wheres yours.
2old4this
Same place mine has been comong from.....



BTW - Check it out! 4 deuces!!


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2old4this
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.
Sir Winston Churchill
2old4this
Everything is funny as long as it is happening to somebody else.
Will Rogers
indyvoter
These are technically "quotes of the days"... ration them out if you want. biggrin.gif
Good stuff though, from some of my favorite people.

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Winston Churchill:

The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes.

He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire.

An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.



Teddy Roosevelt:

Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.

The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.

No man is justified in doing evil on the ground of expediency.



Martin Luther King, Jr.:

If a man is called to be a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted or Beethoven composed music or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause and say, "Here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well."



Vince Lombardi:

The quality of a person's life is in direct proportion to their commitment to excellence, regardless of their chosen field of endeavor.

It's not whether you get knocked down, it's whether you get up.

The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will.

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.



Abraham Lincoln:

No man has a good enough memory to make a successful liar.

Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any other thing.

You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.



Norman Vincent Peale:

Believe that you are defeated, believe it long enough, and it is likely to become a fact.

We tend to get what we expect.



Ray Kroc:

The quality of an individual is reflected in the standards they set for themselves.



Albert Schweitzer:

Example is not the main thing in influencing others. It is the only thing.



Thomas Jefferson:

The most valuable of all talents is that of never using two words when one will do.

He who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it easier to do it a second time.

A mind always employed is always happy.

Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.

Whenever you do a thing, though it can never be known but to yourself, ask yourself how you would act were all the world looking at you, and act accordingly.



Andrew Carnegie:

As I grow older I pay less attention to what men say. I just watch what they do.

There is no use whatsoever trying to help people who do not help themselves. You cannot push anyone up a ladder unless he is willing to climb himself.



Benjamin Franklin:

Love your neighbor - but don't pull down your hedge.

The best way to see Faith is to shut the eye of Reason.

Guests, like fish, begin to smell after three days.

There are no gains without pains.



Confucius:

Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life.

When prosperity comes, do not use all of it.



Harry S. Truman:

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

The buck stops here.



George Washington:

Few men have virtue to withstand the highest bidder.

To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace.



Aristotle:

We should behave to our friends as we would wish our friends to behave to us.

Well begun is half done.



Franklin D. Roosevelt:

When you come to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on.



Margaret Thatcher:

You may have to fight a battle more than once to win it.



John F. Kennedy:

The time to repair a roof is when the sun is shining.

Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names.



Charles De Gaulle:

The graveyards are full of indispensable men.



John Wooden:

Failure to prepare is preparing to fail



Henry Ford:

Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at twenty or eighty. Anyone who keeps learning stays young. The greatest thing in life is to keep your mind young.

Nothing is particularly hard if you divide it into small jobs.



Booker T. Washington:

I have learned that success is to be measured not so much by the position that one has reached in life as by the obstacles which one has overcome while trying to succeed.

You can't hold a man down without staying down with him.



George S. Patton, Jr.:

Always do more than is required of you



Dwight D. Eisenhower:

Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil and you're a thousand miles from the corn field.



George Carlin:

Some people see the glass half full. Others see it half empty. I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.



Will Rogers: (The genius of his quotes are that they need to be read twice: the first .....................time for their humor, a second to pick out the practical advice hidden .....................behind the joke.)


1. Don't squat with your spurs on.

2. Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.

3. Lettin' the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier'n puttin' it back in.

4 . If you're ridin' ahead of the herd, take a look back every now and then to make sure .....it's still there.

5. If you get to thinkin' you're a person of some influence, try orderin' somebody else's ....dog around.

6. After eating an entire bull, a mountain lion felt so good he started roaring. He kept it ....up until a hunter came along and shot him. The moral: When you're full of bull, keep ....your mouth shut.

7. There's two theories to arguin' with a woman. Neither one works.

8. When you give a lesson in meanness to a critter or a person, don't be surprised if ....they learn their lesson.

9. The quickest way to double your money is to fold it over and put it back in your ....pocket.

10. Never miss a good chance to shut up.



Lazarus Long:

Never appeal to a man's better nature - he might not have one. Invoking his self interest gives you more leverage.

Natural laws have no pity.

Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then go do it.

Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes.

Animals can be driven crazy by placing too many in too small a pen. Homo Sapiens is the only animal that voluntarily does this to himself.

Delusions are often functional. A mother's opinions about her children's beauty, goodness, et cetera ad nauseam, keep her from drowning them at birth.

A poet who reads his verse in public may have other nasty habits.

Formal courtesy between husband and wife is even more important than it is between strangers.

An elephant: A mouse built to government specifications.

Place your clothes and weapons where you can find them in the dark.

A committee is a life form with six or more legs and no brain.

"I came, I saw, SHE conquered." (The original Latin seems to have been garbled.)

In handling a stinging insect, move slowly.

A skunk is better company than a person who prides himself on being "frank."

Anything free is worth what you pay for it.

Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

Rub her feet.

Everybody lies about sex.

Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors - and miss.

When the need arises - and it does - you must be able to shoot your own dog.

Don't try to have the last word. You might get it.

Avoid making irrevocable decisions while tired or hungry.

Do not handicap your children by making their lives too easy.


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ScurvyDawg
Theres some good advice there.

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cilaag
Indy, thanks for the cliff notes, but you omitted the greatest unknown redneck of all time:

If you really want to raise someone's standard of living...you can't just give a hungry man a fish but if you teach him to fish it will not be long before he has his own rod, tackle, bass boat, trailer and a pick-em-up truck.
2old4this
Indy - Thanks for reminding me.

Lazarus is the finest philosopher of all time with Will right behind him.
cilaag
Then there was that unidentified middle east analyst that said:

"The palistinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."
cilaag
http://www.angelfire.com/md2/Ldotvets/Bubba_99_1.html

"What's he jumping on me for? I didn't kill the kid!"

...Bill Clinton, 23 May 1994 to the bereaved mother of Sergeant First Class Randall Shughart after her husband had refused to shake Clinton's hand and calmly told Clinton that he beleived Clinton was responsible for his son's death...that Clinton was not fit to be President or Commander in Chief.
cilaag
"Now, you know, I didn't blame [President Bush's] father for Somalia, when we had that awful day memorialized in 'Black Hawk Down.' I didn't do that."

...well, how big of him...seeing as "that awful day memorialized in (the movie) Black Hawk Down" was about an event that happened in October 1993 when Bill Clinton was president not GH Bush...but see how Bill twists the facts to his advantage...truly a career politician.
cilaag
"On the third or fourth date, he says, they were in the middle of a "heavy make-out" session when she said she had something to tell him. She was very conflicted and very nervous, thinking of everything that had gone into getting her to that point, such as money and training. She was, she explained, undercover in the C.I.A."

Janurary 2004 Vanity Fair interview with Joseph Wilson, recalling his 1997 adulterous affair (he wasn't divorced until 1998) with Valerie Plame

...it was against the law for her to tell any tom, dick or harry she was sleeping with...yet Wilson openly admits her misconduct...outing herself
2old4this
There are people who think that everything one does with a serious face is sensible.
- Georg Christoph Lichtenberg
2old4this
We don't know what we want, but we are ready to bite somebody to get it.
- Will Rogers

(Former defense secretary Bill) Cohen's Law: "Government is the enemy until you need a friend."
abbadon
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Government is the enemy until you need a friend


yeyeyeye.......
2old4this
Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein.
Joe Theismann
cilaag
The enemy of my enemy is my friend

middle east terrorist--sheik yabooty
ScurvyDawg
QUOTE (cilaag @ Sep 7 2005, 03:25 PM)
middle east terrorist--sheik yabooty
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Great Album LOL
2old4this
I take my children everywhere, but they always find their way back home.
- Robert Orben
2old4this
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give."
-Winston Churchill
2old4this
The covers of this book are too far apart.
- Ambrose Bierce
Gone Postal
"I've learned that you can tell alot about a person by the way he/she handles these three things: a rainy day, lost luggage, and tangled Christmas tree lights."
---- Maya Angelou

"Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes."
---- Oscar Wilde

"You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do."
"Obstacles are those frightening things you see when you take your eyes off your goal."
---- Henry Ford

"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail."
"Having a dream that you don't pursue is like buying an ice cream cone and watching it melt all over your hand."
"He who laughs, lasts."
---- Unknown

"Think big thoughts, but relish small pleasures."
---- H. Jackson Brown
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2old4this
"I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." ---Benjamin Franklin


What happened to the nearly 200,000 Hispanics living in and around New Orleans when Hurricane Katrina hit last month? I asked the question of one reporter who had called me to comment on the role race played in the evacuation fiasco, but she didn't know. In fact, at the height of the crisis, few in the media seemed the slightest bit curious about this population, despite hundreds of stories about poverty, race, and the failure of government to rescue the most vulnerable...
My suspicion is that few of New Orleans' Hispanic immigrants -- especially the illegal ones -- stuck around for the hurricane to hit. Immigrants in general tend to have strong initiative and good coping skills. Someone who can figure out how to get into the U.S. (especially illegally) can certainly figure out how to get out of New Orleans...

---Linda Chavez

"As we hear calls for a 'compassionate' response to the victims of this [hurricane] tragedy, it is important to remember that you can't be compassionate with other people's money. This difference is as simple as the difference between my reaching into my pocket for money to help someone in need and my reaching into your pocket for the same purpose. The former is charity---the latter is not."
---Michael Tanner
2old4this
"Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia." (Charles Schultz)
2old4this
Expectation Of Paternal Care By The Government

"I find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and the duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit... The friendliness and charity of our countrymen can always be relied upon to relieve their fellow citizens in misfortune. This has been repeatedly and quite lately demonstrated. Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the Government and weakens the sturdiness of our national character, while it prevents the indulgence among our people of that kindly sentiment and conduct which strengthens the bonds of a common brotherhood." ---President Grover Cleveland
2old4this
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have." ---President Gerald Ford

"Reflect upon your present blessings, of which every man has many---not on your past misfortunes, of which all men have some." ---Charles Dickens
2old4this
October is one of the peculiarly dangerous months to speculate in stocks. The others are July, January, September, April, November, May, March, June, December, August and February."
-Mark Twain (1835-1910)
indyvoter
I loved Twain's wicked honesty. bigthumb.gif

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education."

"I am opposed to millionaires, but it would be dangerous to offer me the position."

"Honesty is the best policy - when there is money in it."

"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first."

(One for Abby... tongue.gif )

"An Englishman is a person who does things because they have been done before. An American is a person who does things because they haven't been done before."

(And something I like to live by...)

"Humor is the great thing, the saving thing. The minute it crops up, all our irritations and resentments slip away and a sunny spirit takes their place."

-- Mark Twain
2old4this
QUOTE (indyvoter @ Sep 30 2005, 10:33 PM)
(And something I like to live by...)

"Humor is the great thing, the saving thing. The minute it crops up, all our irritations and resentments slip away and a sunny spirit takes their place."

-- Mark Twain
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Truly one to live by.

I've often expressed the opinion that the day I don't learn something is totally wasted. Along with that is every day is a day to love and laugh.
2old4this
When asked the difference between Religion and Spirituality; "Religion is for those who are afraid of going to Hell; Spirituality is for those of us who have been there."
Brother Dave Browning
2old4this
"If the present Congress errs in too much talking, how can it be otherwise in a body to which the people send 150 lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything, yield nothing, and talk by the hour?" ---Thomas Jefferson
2old4this
"half of Louisiana is under water and the other half is under indictment." --former La. congressman Billy Tauzin
2old4this
"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery -- then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved." ---Jesse Jackson.
abbadon
All of childhood's unanswered questions must finally be passed back to the town and answered there. Heroes and bogey men, values and dislikes, are first encountered and labeled in that early environment. In later years they change faces, places and maybe races, tactics, intensities and goals, but beneath those penetrable masks they wear forever the stocking-capped faces of childhood.

Maya Angelou
abbadon
In schools all over the world, little boys learn that their country is the greatest in the world, and the highest honor that could befall them would be to defend it heroically someday. The fact that empathy has traditionally been conditioned out of boys facilitates their obedience to leaders who order them to kill strangers.

Myriam Miedzian
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